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~ Nisargadatta responding to questions

Nisargadatta:

Dream occurs in objective, material, manifestation, in the consciousness. It is not you, it is something other – objective, material.

What you call “I Am” and birth, you are not that, it is material.

Suppose that there is a Muslim boy that I have adopted; I have not sired that boy, but
I now claim him as “my” boy. Like that, this “I Amness” is not directly me, it is something other, something material, something Muslim (in this context), I am not that.

I, the Absolute, have nothing to do with that.

People are sometimes confused because they expect an answer which is based on their concepts. You ask someone to bring you a spoon, and instead he brings you a needle. Both are words, both are knowledge, but that is not what you want. What you will receive is the true knowledge, even if what you are asking for is not the true knowledge.

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Q: I must reach that level to be able to understand.

Nisargadatta:

There are millions of grains, made into millions of forms, but the seed is only one. All these millions of forms are because of some particular seed, but I am not that seed.

The Ultimate knowledge does not have any knowledge. This knowledge “I Am” has appeared spontaneously, as a result of the body.

See it as it is, understand it as it is.

When the waking state is gone, sleep begins, when sleep is gone, the waking state begins. When both are gone, I am at home. Why did they leave me? Because it was all foreign, it was not me.

Take this advice: better not to be trapped in the spiritual knowledge business; have a nice time, a good life, be of service to others, and in due course, when the time is ripe, you will die.

(source: Nisargadatta, Prior to Consciousness, PDF file p. 111)

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My Comment:

Nisargadatta uses the term knowledge to mean “to know something” and also to mean “the sense of being”, or also “the sense of ‘I Am'”. In this statement: “The Ultimate knowledge does not have any knowledge. This knowledge ‘I Am’ has appeared spontaneously, as a result of the body.” he is pointing us to the state of the Absolute which does not “know” Itself as a subject knows an object. That is why we have such difficulty realizing that our search is pointless as long as we are looking for something outside or other than ourselves.

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My Comment:

I have studied the following passage from a dialog between Nisargadatta and a visitor many times over the years and it never fails to astonish me. The view that Nisargadatta expounds here completely eliminates the very foundation for all conventional understanding of life as our cultures see it. Food essence contains the essence of consciousness: “Is not the body the essence of food and is not consciousness the nature of the essence of food?”  I have come to understand that consciousness arises spontaneously when the conditions are suitable – which means that a ‘food body’ has developed that is sophisticated enough to allow for the function of ‘seeing’ to occur. Biology, at a certain level of differentiation spontaneously begins to reflect ‘this’ to ‘itself’ – which are both the same thing. Continue reading

timeless and spaceless Being

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“Apart, from us where is time and where is space? If we are bodies, we are involved in time and space, but are we? We are one and identical now, then, and forever, here, and everywhere. Therefore we, timeless, and spaceless Being, alone are.”

Forty Verses on Reality – Ramana – Verse 16

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My Comment:

We are so heavily addicted to rational thinking that it seems at times almost impossible to open up to a direct realization of what Ramana is talking about. Of course we should be able to get a felt sense of this Fact that is all around us, in our face and completely obvious – but that is not the case. Most of our waking hours and in our dream experiences we move through a card-house made of living images that are ephemeral, fleeting and passing. 

What we call happiness are experiences within this card-house and they do not satisfy that deep longing inside for HOME that is the bed-rock of Existence rather than the shifting sands of the content of our consciousness.

The following statements express some views as to ‘how’ we can access our Natural State.

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Krishnamurti:

How easy it is to deceive oneself, to project desirable states which are actually experienced, especially when they are pleasure. There’s no illusion, no deception, when there’s no desire, conscious or unconscious, for any experience of any kind, when one’s wholly indifferent to the coming and going of all experience, when one’s not asking for anything.

Why be mean when there are soaring mountains and flashing streams?

Krishnamurti Notebook July 26, 1961

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Nisargadatta:

Here you will get to know what is, not what you expect to hear. Duality arises when consciousness arises. I am present and I know that I am present – that is duality. I am and I am not conscious of being present – that is unicity. There is only one, ‘but when this conscious presence is there, then there is a sense of duality.

Questioner: Is a Realized person aware of everything?

N. Actually no one is realized, there is only pure knowledge (the sense of I Am). It is only for reasons of communication that we say a person is realized. The knowledge has realized that it is knowledge; that is all that has happened. I am not the body, I am not the words; when knowledge recognizes this it is called Self-Realization.

Q: The knowledge Maharaj is giving is for jnanis (awakened ones). What happens to the very simple man who is not able to comprehend this?

N: Bhajans (devotional songs) and meditation. By meditation the knowledge which is immature will gradually grow into maturity.

Q. A thousand years ago people were primitive. They could not have understood this. It is only for developed minds.

N. Whether primitive or civilized, people can understand this. Even in those days there must have been some to whom this knowledge did appear and they instinctively understood.

This knowledge is not new; it has always been in existence. People came to know instinctively.

Q. Why is it that India seems to be the cradle of this knowledge? No other country seems to have this knowledge.

N: That is not so. This manifestation is the expression of the Absolute, and the manifestation may take various forms in various countries. Where it takes what kind of expression is immaterial; basically all is the manifestation of the Absolute. There is no cause and effect, no reason why one thing should be in one place and something else in another.

What is to be found out is what one is, by oneself.

Q. Can the Guru give a push toward that knowledge?

N. You think that you are one individual and the Guru is another individual but that is not so. Guru is the knower of this consciousness, which is temporary.

Understand this curious situation: while I am talking to you there is unbearable pain in the body (cancer).

I have understood firmly that there are no individuals separate from one another, no knowledge separate as worldly knowledge and spiritual knowledge. There is no Guru and no disciple, there is no God and no devotee. There are no opposites – they are a polaristic duality, not two separate parts, but two parts of the same one. I am convinced of that and yet I am talking to you. You accept it as knowledge and I give it as knowledge. Understand this amusing factor.

The talks emanate spontaneously out of me; prior to the emanation of the words there is no meaning fabricated inside. There is no part played by the mind. It is direct spontaneity.

Q. What is the definition of consciousness as used by Maharaj?

N. Consciousness, as it is used here, is this sense of being alive, of being present, the sense of existence. It is the love of being that is the source and cause of all desires.

source: Prior to Consciousness, December 9, 1980

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it is not so easy

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“Rarely will one understand this and,

transcend the domain of consciousness.”

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My Comment: What can this mean – to transcend the domain of consciousness? Isn’t everything we know, our entire existence the “domain of consciousness”? Also the statement “The Absolute… does not know Itself” presents us with a seemingly insurmountable riddle. In Zen this is termed a ‘koan’. Here we can ask ourselves: is my entire perception limited to what comes through my organs of sensory perception? Is there a very, very subtle realm that is not of the ‘objective’ world? Can I negate the entire world that I see as ‘objects’ to be known, not to escape the world into some romantic ‘nirvana’ state, but to examine my potential and possible scope of perception? Continue reading

be the fish, be the water

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The observer is the observed.

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I am alone. “I alone am.” These enigmatic words were the catalyst for Nisargadatta to awaken to his true state. What arises in me when I let them sink in?

All mirrors show me movements of my energy stream for the purpose of auto-correction because this existence strives continually for balance and the cancelling out of all imbalance. Continue reading

letting “my” consciousness shatter

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“…it gets back to a purpose in life, what life is about,

what is important in life,

how to prove that my life is worth living…”

My Comment: In question and answer format, Stephen Wolinsky takes his students through a process of becoming aware of how strongly our basic concepts form our perception of the world.

In the following excerpt from his book “You Are Not” he deconstructs our usual thought patterns with remarkable results.

It takes a bit to find your way into this process, but I find it very refreshing. Continue reading

prior to consciousness – purusha

Purusha is a Sanskrit word that is often translated as Cosmic Witness

My comments on Nisargadatta’s statements below:

Basically when we can be aware of the fact that we are aware – then we are not just witnessing the content of consciousness, but we are That first principle quality which is untouched by all content. For me such contemplation is useful to “end” the involvement with or attachment to Consciousness even as the Witness. It is almost like all of Consciousness, starting with the sense “I am” entangles us within the web of manifestation of phenomena. Continue reading